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Poster: airgarcia416 Date: Jun 4, 2008 1:48pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: One Drummer Stuff

Listening to a lot of shows without Mickey lately, and really feel that the band just swung more with one drummer. It always feels that Billy's jazzy drumming allows Jerry and Phil more room to play off of each other than when Mickey is in there. The music is less dense and seems to be able to turn on a dime.

Now I'm not so sure it just isn't a creative apex for the band during this time or it's the effect of Mickey's more regimented military drumming style compared to Billy's big band/jazz skin playing.

Boy, Donna sure could screech when she wanted to; I say God damn.

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Poster: He Live's Date: Jun 4, 2008 7:53pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: One Drummer Stuff

71-74 is something else

76 and on is another something else

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Poster: craven714 Date: Jun 4, 2008 3:49pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: One Drummer Stuff

Yeah man, I was watching some Tivoli April 17th of 1972 last night and I was just amazed (again) with Bills chops.
Being a drummer for 25+- years now, and watching that footage, I notice some of those same Bill fills (somewhat repetitive at times) can never be reproduced. I know someone on here called it "stop on a dime" Dead. And Billy has said something to the effect of "the rolls and the fills aren't made/manufactured, they are created, they live with the music being made at the time."

Watching Billy 72 last night, I was surprised to see that his drum sticks just don't splinter into fucking toothpicks
It reinforces the fact that there is no other like him~~period.
(does writing"period" make the "." obsolete? How does that works?)

But to my point: This is a tough one for some people. Micky bashers make me sick. I agree that Billy as a solo drummer for those years made the Dead unique, for those years. And remind you that Donnas "screeching" made them quite unique (read: unlistenable) quite a few times too.

So, you can't deny Mickys influence. The rest of the band didn't. I love 72-74. But can you imagine, say, a 1991 Giants Stadium show with Billy and his 5 piece kit with 4 other musicians on the stage? Here is where all the problems are: Some people can honestly say, "yeah, I would much rather see that." And thats their opinion which you don't have to agree with, but you must have some respect for it. But history does not agree. That is why Micky and Bills influences and individual efforts must be celebrated collectively and seperately. And the argument can still continue for some people, but I have figured it out; be grateful for one and both when ever possible.
There is a reason 1973 is 1973, and 1991 is 1991 and all inbetween.

BTW air, still got your email addy, and will get in touch witcha some time before the Phil show.

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Poster: Bear in 29206 Date: Jun 5, 2008 7:31pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: One Drummer Stuff

I've come to the same place often in listening to the one-drummer shows. Love the 2-drum power when it happened, but, Jeez!, there is that space and clarity and ....
turn-on-a-dime reaction(?)... with just Billy.

Maybe it was just those years too. Everything slowed up so much after the early 80's, making the '75-'80 years the only energetic, 2-drummer stint after Mickey first left.

But I'll still take the early 70's.....

Hey- 6-22-73 is one of my favorites from that era ...



This post was modified by Bear in 29206 on 2008-06-06 02:31:04

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Poster: wineland Date: Jun 4, 2008 3:00pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: One Drummer Stuff

I'm with you on the one drummer theory. I was in a 73 state of mind for a couple months. Mickey is great, but the sound is more refined and can ebb and flow at will with just Billy.